Thanks luke, when all else fails,dpkg. Luke what are you running? TH3CR@K3R I tried Apollo, actually still on my usb stick, may try it again since bt isant supported, and yesterday during the blackout I Downloaded mint cinnamon and its painfully slow, default and compatibility modes. How slow? Well after clicking the install icon, 5min later the window came up. I'm gonna download the Gnome version later today and give it a try.